Video:
There are so many rules out there; why does Christianity try to tell me how to live my life?
1) everyone is following someone's rules
2) rules allow freedom
All rules are self-imposed at some level. Rules are also set up by society and culture. In the Bible, life knowledge and rules are codified in stories. One argument is that you have more freedom if you have more rules; for example, you will live longer if you eat better and exercise more.
Christianity is different from other religions:
C: accepted -> then -> obey rules (find a way to serve a God who loves you)
OR: obey rules -> then -> accepted (do things to gain acceptance)
When you are in love, you change your actions, beliefs and thoughts because you want to please another person. For that love to grow, the other person also has to do that. In Christianity, God sacrificed himself for us and we therefore sacrifice for him.
SIDENOTE:
Homosexuality is viewed within Christianity------->
1) love your neighbors
2) scripture says it is wrong
3) you must live within the design that God has set up to be truly happy; if you violate God's design, you will miss out on God's best
Video Debriefing:
In order to continue our discussion, we needed to define "freedom".
Freedom: the ability to realize our potential, within constraints placed on us
"...freedom is not so much the absence of restrictions as finding the right ones, the liberating restrictions." (Keller, pg. 47) Tenants of Freedom:
I) There are some good constraints on complete and utter freedom (or anarchy). One example would be someone infringing on my right to exist, in that case we would want to impose on his freedom to infringe on my right.
II) Natural restraints on freedom exist, such as the need to eat and sleep.
III) Self-imposed restraints exist, as well as societal restraints. Some individual rights are sacrificed for the good of all. Abiding by a form of government, people surrender certain freedoms and suffer limitations on their freedoms.
The reality is that everyone accepts restrictions on their freedoms. Are these societal/individual/or universal? If we are arguing for a universal moral law, where does it come from?
A) Nature: innate human instinct to work in groups, reciprocal altruism
B) Divine: God set these moral laws in motion
HOMOSEXUALITY:
- nature or nurture or a combination?
- homosexuality exists in other species, so why is it condemned in humans as "unnatural"?
- if you are gay, you cannot "bear children together", so could these laws be holdovers from Israelites trying to breed a nation?
Arguments:
I) God says it is wrong, so it is wrong. Even if you are born with a propensity for something, God can allow you to overcome it.
II) Socially, homosexuality has only recently been non-taboo. Where will allowable relations stop? (man with child?)
III) If we are using the Bible as a guide-book, why are we ignoring other things it has to say? Like eating shellfish, or women not speaking in church, or wives being submissive, or wearing mixed linens?
IV) Homosexuality being wrong can mainly if not solely be argued from a Biblical stance.
SIDENOTE: All sins are equal in God's eyes, not in society's eyes. If a person commits an act of homicide and another lies to her Mom, both sins are equal in God's eyes. This means that we are all sinners and guilty; therefore God's grace is beneficial to us all.
This is one of the topics I have serious issues with. I just don't understand WHY homosexuality is wrong. And the fact that its "wrongness" can only be supported by the Bible is even more baffling to me. There are tons of rules and regulations and suggestions in the Bible that are supported by far more than the Bible. Eating pork can even be explained by more than the Bible if you research the actual health benefits (or lack thereof).
ReplyDeleteI am just not sure I can figure out WHY it matters who people love and live with and even have sex with. If people are in a loving, respectful relationship I think that is pretty wonderful. Many people never have the opportunity to experience that. And honestly does it matter if a couple can't have kids together. There are TONS of heterosexual couples who also can not have children together. Further more there are millions of children who need loving families.
I certainly know what the Bible says but I am not always sure that some of the things are not a product of what was culturally and socially acceptable when the Bible was written. I mean, slavery, for example was a okay until it was socially and culturally not okay. It was Biblically okay but I don't find slavery even remotely okay and a huge violation of human rights. Does that make sense? Not sure if I am explaining myself well at this early hour in the morning.
I am a straight woman so I obviously don't have to worry about this "sin" for myself. But... if you I were born Gay I would feel like a total outcast in Christianity and that makes me sad.
There is also the argument that we are born with all sorts of "sins" as part of who we are. The biggest example of that is probably addiction. Most addicts have a huge genetic predisposition to addiction. I have a friend that is a recovering heroin addict (one of the most amazing people I know)... so there is always the argument that just because you are genetically predisposed doesn't erase the fact that it is a sin. But unlike addiction, homosexuality is not an actual danger to yourself (beyond the dangers of practicing unsafe sex) or others like addiction is. But I can see where the argument can be made.
Debra,
ReplyDeleteI really appreciate your input on this blog :) Thanks so much for chiming in. If you ever have a chance, feel free to drop in on our in-person conversation (Thursdays @7pm in Urbana). I would enjoy hearing more of your opinions!
Colleen